Face Frames & Pocket Holes

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11 years 6 months ago #8767 by dustywoodworker
dustywoodworker replied the topic: Re:Face Frames & Pocket Holes
Good show, Ron.

I had a similar problem in my garage cabinets. I concluded the split was because I drove the screws home too hard. Back off a bit and just pulled them snug with the screws. Counting on the glue to base cabinet interface to provide the required rigidity.

Mine have to be pretty stout. I'm going to hand 25\"x28\" inch doors on the cabinets.

We need a show and tell now; with coffee and donuts.

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11 years 6 months ago #8768 by DPF
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I'll keep you posted. It's going to be a long slow process of conversion. One area at a time. Probably over the course of about 2 years to get everything done.

In a nutshell, the lower cabinets are currently all sets of two doors that open to a large opening, with two small drawers above that large opening.

What I'll be doing is removing the drawers and doors, knock out the little stile that separates the two small drawers at the top, then adding a rail breaking the large opening the two doors covered into two shallower, wide openings.

Then fill each of those three openings with drawers. So I'll be going from two narrow drawers on top over two doors covering a large opening, to the three wide drawers. Probably two shallow and one deep on the bottom.

Rinse and repeat for duplicate sets throughout kitchen. A few variations here and there but it will more or less repeat. I'm going to do the 45 degree drawers in the corner and get rid of the lazy susan setup.

Going with full-on Blumotion Tandem drawers slides all around. As such, the slides will likely be mounted to the rails and then the back of the carcasses using the mounting brackets Blum provides for that very type of install.

Then we're gonna get the whole thing painted white with tea-stain glaze. Except the island will be painted black with butcher block top.

The upper cabinets are a whole other animal. Basically, take them down, knock out the soffit, hang the cabinets higher, add backlit crown, then build small additions below. New doors to cover it all. With the Blumotion dampers on all the cabinet doors as well. My kitchen's gonna be quiet :).

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11 years 6 months ago #8769 by Ron Roberts
Ron Roberts replied the topic: Re:Face Frames & Pocket Holes
Sounds great, DPF. My wife wants white cabinets too. My plan is to HVLP spray a white lacquer.

Where do you plan to get the hardware? I'm interested in the Blumotion.

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11 years 6 months ago - 11 years 6 months ago #8771 by DPF
DPF replied the topic: Re:Face Frames & Pocket Holes
We're going to go ahead and have them painted professionally whenever I get it ready. I'm waiting for a preliminary quote now so I'll kind of know what I'm in for when the day comes. We'll have a crazy quilt kitchen for quite some time until that day comes. Oak face frames, except where I add/modify sections it will be poplar. Whatever paint grade species I choose for the door/drawer fronts. Pre-finished ply for the new carcass I'll need to build for the double oven (currently we have a 24\" wide oven and I want to widen to accommodate a normal 30\"). Painting and countertops will be the last step so it will look all kludged until that day comes. Allegedly, the SWMBO is down with that plan.

As for the Blum hardware, Rockler wants arms/legs for them ($47/pair). I found them at wwhardware.com for $28/pair for the 21\" slides (lower full depth cabinets). I'll need to get longer ones for the corner drawer setup, and heavier duty for the garbage can pull-out, but both still come in under the Rockler price for the regular drawer ones. I need to look and see if they carry the Mixer-lift thing as I plan to put that on the right side of the island (garbage pull out will be on left side so the cabinets will look balanced). Rockler wants $100 for that bad boy. SWMBO is a tiny thing so getting the Kitchen-Aid out is a real task for her.

Oh, and by corner ones I mean the Blum Space Corner setup (see here: www.blum.com/us/en/01/40/80/index.php ). I will not need the syncromotion as I'll have enough clearance laterally for the drawer front so it doesn't have to pop-out like a frameless setup would.

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