Saw guard upgrade for Mark V

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12 years 3 weeks ago #7495 by jamesk
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I have a Mark V 500 model and am looking at upgrading the saw guard system (with the one that has the clear plastic top guard). I am wondering if anyone else has done it and if it has worked out well. Some questions are:
- Does it provide better dust collection?
- Is it relatively east to install when switching tools?
- Is it difficult to align the splitter with the blade?
- Why does it have two dust collection ports?
- Can it be used with a 5/8 inch arbor?
Thanks for your help!

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12 years 3 weeks ago #7496 by Ron Roberts
Ron Roberts replied the topic: Re: Saw guard upgrade for Mark V
The short answers:

Yes.
Yes.
No.
See first question.
Yes.

It would have been difficult not to improve upon the original metal upper and lower 500 guards. In my opinion the old lower metal guard was ok for protecting you from the blade but virtually useless for DC. I never used the old upper guard. I could never get it to stay aligned and about the second time I knicked it with my brand new carbide blade I hung it on the wall for decoration.

I think the key to dust collection with the new guard is using them together. DC drops off significantly if you only use the lower. That may have been part of my problem with the old guard in that I wasn't using the upper.

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12 years 3 weeks ago #7499 by DeanThom
DeanThom replied the topic: Re: Saw guard upgrade for Mark V
About the 5/8" arbor, the answer is indeed yes, but you have to get the arbor that is correct for your machine & table. If you have the Model 500, be sure to get the arbor FOR the 500. I have 500 arbors and own a 520. The saw guard does not work :(

Guess what's on MY shopping list! ;)

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12 years 3 weeks ago #7500 by reible
reible replied the topic: Re: Saw guard upgrade for Mark V
Hi,

I know this is not total related to your questions but I wanted to bring this out just in case you might want to upgrade the 500 to a 520 someday. I had the 500 and went along with all or maybe it should be almost all the upgrades as they came along, including the one you are talking about... twice. Once I upgrade I saw the folly of my ways. I plain wasted money, money that I could have used towards the upgrade and had all that is the 520!

If you're sure no 520 upgrade is in your future or if you have all the upgrades you ever expect to get then go on to another post but ....

First a lot of the things that were upgrades to the 500 are either upgraded again in the 520 or they don't fit the 520. I'll go into some details here starting with the the saw guard and dust collection system.

Shopsmith offer a updated guard that wasn't as good as the one they now have as an upgrade. I got the first one then had to get the second one to make it work better (of course now you can get just the better version). While this was a major improvement it still did not address using the disk sander so I got yet another dust collector (555167) for that duty... (The dust collector for the 500 is not as good as the one that is a combined one that is on the 520.) Using list prices from last year the saw guard was about $129 and the sander one is about $47 (total $176).

I also upgraded the rip fence $94, went to the wider extension tables (2) tops only $160. [total now $336] I added the front table extension for $54
[$390]. Got more saw arbors, none of these fit the 520 so I had to replace them at (5) $20ea = $100 [$490]. I got the table inserts for dado, drum sanding, molding and several blank ones all of which can not be used on a 520 (6) $18ea = $108 [$598]. I got several more sanding disks which I had to replace hubs on, (5) hubs only est $20ea = $100 [$698]. The support table conversion kit was $40 [$738]. The new fence required a new rod for the mortising hold down est $9 [$747]. I got the new shaper/drum sander fence kit $138 [$885] to replace the one for the 500. Upgraded lathe tool rest $22 [$907]. New miter bar for the crosscut sliding table $22 [$929]... give or take a few things I most likely forgot about.

This also might be useful information for SHMBO if you are trying to get her to "see the light". You may use it with my permission

Ed

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12 years 3 weeks ago #7503 by Ron Roberts
Ron Roberts replied the topic: Re: Saw guard upgrade for Mark V
Great analysis, Ed, and if SWMBO doesn't see the wisdom of your logic I surely do.

I think there are areas where upgrades are as much a part of the sales and marketing plan as they are the technology (don't get me started on software & electronics). But I think Shopsmith over the years has truly strived to introduce upgrades that really improved things or addressed problems. I recall the evolution of the 510/520 and I know the input from the Yahoo user's list was a significant part of that process. Same with the speed increaser and the reducer.

In hindsight had I known what the 520 would have ultimately become I'd have never invested in upgrades for my 500. But back then no one knew, not even Shopsmith. At least I don't think they did. But now that we do know I think your advice is right on the money. If I had a 500 and was contemplating upgrades for it I would very seriously consider biting the bullet now and upgrading to the 520 knowing what I know now.

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12 years 3 weeks ago #7512 by jamesk
jamesk replied the topic: Re: Saw guard upgrade for Mark V
That's a very good point. All this piecemeal upgrading still won't make my 500 a 510 or 520, and yet it's costing good money. What about an upgrade from a 500 to a 505? Is there such a thing? That would probably be easier financially and get me going towards my dream 520 with future upgrades.
Also, looking at the 510/520, I wonder how involved it is to set up all those extension tubes, telescoping legs, etc for the table saw. It seems that most of the time the main table and an extension table on the right or left would be adequate.

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